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Talk:Diplomacy
Rumors of diplomacy affecting loot[edit]
Personal opinion: this is only superstition from some players, and I suggest you ignore it. Tihocan 14:07, March 1, 2006 (EST)
- To clarify, that means that is Tihocan's personal opnion on that. I suggest marking it as {rumor|}, as it is not verified numerically in game regardless of how widely-believed it is. (post by Peerless - see his talk and contribs.) 14:43, March 1, 2006 (EST)
- Done -- Tihocan 15:04, March 1, 2006 (EST)
- There's really no possibly way to prove that it does or does not in-game... it's way too open to good and bad luck streaks coinciding with you using diplomacy in such ways or not. On the beta forums, on of the developers did in fact laugh at the concept of diplomacy working in such a matter though did not give a straight definitive answer. --Uky
- It is possible to prove it, if you record enough data. I am currently doing it for quest NPCs. But will take a long time before I have enough data to be confident in the results. Tihocan 10:51, March 2, 2006 (EST)
- I absolutely guarantee diplomacy makes a difference on loot. However, not on CHESTS. It only improvements bonuses on quest turn-in's when those turn-in's are randomly determined. It increases the number of options, not the quality of those options. However, if their loot table allows a slim possibility of an elemental weapon (or something like that), it will give the impression that you are getting "better loot". Better loot can be translated roughly to: Because I got more options, I got something I needed. Want to prove it? Go run something like Sewer Rescue 100 times, 50 with diplomacy, 50 without. The difference is plainly obvious in even a few tests. My high diplomacy characters easily double the options. KakarisMaelstrom 17:34, April 27, 2006 (EDT)
- I will definitely test it and report the results on DDO information project/Skills, then mark it as verified. I still haven't seen any proof of it. From what you say, I believe you, but I don't want to take any risk. Tihocan 11:14, April 28, 2006 (EDT)
- I absolutely guarantee diplomacy makes a difference on loot. However, not on CHESTS. It only improvements bonuses on quest turn-in's when those turn-in's are randomly determined. It increases the number of options, not the quality of those options. However, if their loot table allows a slim possibility of an elemental weapon (or something like that), it will give the impression that you are getting "better loot". Better loot can be translated roughly to: Because I got more options, I got something I needed. Want to prove it? Go run something like Sewer Rescue 100 times, 50 with diplomacy, 50 without. The difference is plainly obvious in even a few tests. My high diplomacy characters easily double the options. KakarisMaelstrom 17:34, April 27, 2006 (EDT)
- It is possible to prove it, if you record enough data. I am currently doing it for quest NPCs. But will take a long time before I have enough data to be confident in the results. Tihocan 10:51, March 2, 2006 (EST)
- There's really no possibly way to prove that it does or does not in-game... it's way too open to good and bad luck streaks coinciding with you using diplomacy in such ways or not. On the beta forums, on of the developers did in fact laugh at the concept of diplomacy working in such a matter though did not give a straight definitive answer. --Uky
- Done -- Tihocan 15:04, March 1, 2006 (EST)
The URL states here that Diplomacy does not in fact affect loot on chests. : Ardan 16:56, March 6, 2006 (EST)
- Yay, noticed that too today, was going to get it fixed here. Tihocan 17:02, March 6, 2006 (EST)
- Will do as soon as I am able to fix something in the CSS formatting. Tihocan 17:07, March 6, 2006 (EST)
- I know, it's been too long... but will do it some day :/ Tihocan 11:04, March 17, 2006 (EST)
--> Dev post confirmed no effect on loot nor NPCs, discussion is over. Tihocan 09:21, June 21, 2006 (EDT)
Influence of charisma[edit]
"Also, with a high enough charisma, certian NPC dialogues will have addition options." I find it weird that Charisma would affect that, shouldn't it be just the diplomacy skill? What do you think about that?
- Sounds like a development issue, not a diplomacy one? KakarisMaelstrom 17:34, April 27, 2006 (EDT)
- What do you mean a development issue? A bug? Anyway, will replace Charisma by Diplomacy. It's not really clear but makes more sense (I know there are a few diplomacy dialogs). Tihocan 11:16, April 28, 2006 (EDT)
- I took this comment to mean that developers had put in quest dialogue which required charisma and not as skill check. Without the context, it sounds like a bad development decision. I'm not sure what the source is of the comment - but it doesn't align with how D&D or DDO seem to work. Who posted it? Where is it from? KakarisMaelstrom 12:50, April 28, 2006 (EDT)
- It was from an anonymous user. I'll keep my modified version, it seems more coherent with my own ingame experience. Tihocan 13:37, May 1, 2006 (EDT)