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"Needs to have Parameters updated due to change..."

Kobold Sneak keeps adding this after updating quests to include the bonuses, what "parameters" exactly need updating on all of these? -LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 13:04, June 12, 2017 (EDT)

  • Replace |obj= with |objective_1= through |objective_###= as a list of in-quest objectives
  • Optionals should be indicated as such with |optional_1= through |optional_###= instead of being grouped into the old |obj=
  • |opt_percent_1= through |opt_percent_###= should be indicated for completing the corresponding |optional_###= We are no longer using {{Calculated XP bonus}} directly on quest pages.
  • |monsters= has been deprecated and should no longer be included on the page.
  • External links to YouTube videos or forum posts etc should use corresponding {{OnYouTube}} or {{Forums}} etc templates in a new |external links= section.
  • All XP bonuses should now use the following parameters directly in the quest template instead of how we use to do it with {{ XP bonus | k1-3 | b1-3 | s1-3 | ... }}:
    • |insidious= cunning bonus
    • |devious= bonus
    • |discreet= bonus
    • |aggression= bonus
    • |onslaught= bonus
    • |conquest= bonus
    • |tamper= bonus
    • |neutralization= bonus
    • |ingenious= debilitation bonus
    • |observance= bonus
    • |perception= bonus
    • |vigilant= sight bonus
    • |mischief= bonus
    • |vandal= bonus
    • |ransack= bonus
    • |bonus_xp_notes= list any notes about hitting XP bonuses here.
I'll be uploading a DDOwiki talk that goes over all of it in the next day or two. :) ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 18:44, June 12, 2017 (EDT)
  • OK, the XP bonuses are great, but the objectives and optionals 1-XXX seem a bit way-the-heck-over-the-top, IMHO. Why not just keep with the asterisks on a new line? This seems to be needlessly complicated to me. -LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 19:15, June 12, 2017 (EDT)
  • The optionals don't all give the same % bonus of XP, so they need to each have their own line. It's an overall improvement in the appearance (has a much better looking result at the end and uses a lot less bits per page). ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 21:23, June 12, 2017 (EDT)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Okay, so I got the episode uploaded to YouTube: Watch on YouTube! I hope this, starting at 25m2s, helps explain it all. Big Grin ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 10:39, June 13, 2017 (EDT)

Bonus XP Notes

Optional XP

Can we get this set off from the objective more distinctly? "(Optional) Kill the Ogre Shaman who has allied with the Hobgoblin raiders Heroic: +10% Bonus." just looks shabby. As an aside, I like how the "(Optional)" part looks on the actual page. Perhaps doing the same thing for the "Heroic: +10% Bonus" would work? -LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 00:08, June 30, 2017 (EDT)

  • I read this a few times now, and I'm still not sure I understand what you want. I'm planning on getting rid of the Heroic/Epic heading for XP all together since the percent bonus should be the same for both across the board. How will that affect your request?  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 22:29, July 8, 2017 (EDT)
    • I still think the "+X% Bonus" should be different. Italicized, or italicized/greyed to look the same way as "Optional" at the beginning of the line, or something. It's just that right now it looks like the text says "(Optional) blah blah blah Heroic: 10% Bonus". And "(Optional) blah blah blah 10% Bonus" would just look better, IMHO. I know we had a similar discussion back with the old style about making the bonus distinct from the actual text, and I forget what we settled on looks-wise. -LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 22:45, July 8, 2017 (EDT)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ I'm working on this now!!! DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 08:54, October 10, 2017 (EDT)

  • Made the modifications noted in the discussion on my talk page. Still doesn't seem to be rendering the way I expect, but maybe I'm just too tired (I'm 25 hours into a 36 hour livestream at the moment.) DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:10, October 10, 2017 (EDT)
    • Query: Do we really need "Heroic" and "Epic"? I mean, are there any cases where the percentage is different? If you look at Fathom the Depths, for instance, it says "(Optional) Free the Raveneye captives before lowering the barriers (7 total) Heroic: (+20% Bonus.) Epic: (+20% Bonus.)" Now, the "(+20% Bonus)" looks good, but the "blah blah blah objective blah blah Heroic" part looks shabby, and I really don't think that we need 1) the distinction between heroic & epic, or 2) the words "Heroic" or "Epic" to be in there. Just "(Optional) Free the Raveneye captives before lowering the barriers (7 total) (+20% Bonus.). -LrdSlvrhnd (Contribs • Message) 21:29, October 11, 2017 (EDT)
      • I can add some logic later that will compare the two percentages and if they are equal, eliminate the redundant text. That will take a bit of work, so it probably won't be on wiki talk this week. DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 08:15, October 17, 2017 (EDT)
      • Okay, so I looked at this and I don't really understand the request. The input is |opt_percent_#= which is the same for both heroic and epic. The reason both texts are there is because the base for heroic and epic is different, not the percent. I'm thinking that the resulting text should read something like:
        XP: Heroic♣800 ♦1,200 ♥1,400 ♠1,700 / Epic♣2,800 ♦3,200 ♥3,400 ♠3,700  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 12:38, November 26, 2017 (EST)

Quest Failure

Extra newline in objectives when there are no optionals

✔ Done  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 04:10, April 3, 2018 (EDT)

This can be viewed in quests such as The Friar's Niece. I think this can be fixed with a nowiki tag as in Template:Quest/sandbox2. I tested it for the 5 unique situations I could think of:

1. objective_# (quest updated to new template format) with no optionals (such as Endgame: The Archbishop's Fate)
2. objective_# (quest updated to new template format) with optionals (such as The Old Archives)
3. obj (quest NOT updated to new template format) with no optionals (such as Protect Baudry's Interests)
4. obj (quest NOT updated to new template format) with optionals (such as The Depths of Despair)
5. no objectives or optionals (such as To_Find_a_Witness:_Archbishop_Dryden)

I also made sure that I tested each of the 5 cases for when the expect parameter was present or missing and it worked in all 10 trials. Is this a valid fix? Kkoliver (Contribs • Message) 09:42, September 14, 2017 (EDT)

  • Bump. Extra newline still plagues the quest pages despite there being a fix. If you're gonna admin protect all the templates that do something, at least be there to update them. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 11:54, April 1, 2018 (EDT)
    • Go ahead and fix it if you like, there's nothing stopping you from editing any page on the wiki. I don't know of any sandbox pages that are protected. Get it working how you think it should work, and put in a request - Should make sure to sync the live template with whatever sandbox page you want first to make sure they can be merged easily.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 04:07, April 3, 2018 (EDT)

Bestower

There is an incosistency with the bestower. While the npc contact has a link, the bestower does not. Change to: 

| bestower = [[{{{bestower}}}]]

⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 18:36, January 10, 2018 (EST)

  • IIRC... It was intentionally left non-linked because not all quests are bestowed by an NPC and the ones that are "walk ups" or bestowed from an item in your inventory or a sign-post caused all kinds of annoying issues when linked like that.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 22:54, January 10, 2018 (EST)
    • If you can point me in the direction of the ones that are causing the trouble I'll be happy to fix them. I corrected all the Twelve patron quests and intend to edit all the quests adding the "bestower" field and will keep correcting the other quests with their correct bestower (most of them have this field blank leading to erroneous information displayed). I'll be removing any links from the bestower, so I'm suggesting you add them here. For example, Palace of Stone has had the bestower updated to Housewarming Invitation instead of Housewarming Invitation, so it needs the link back through the Quest template. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 06:16, January 11, 2018 (EST)
      • What about the case where there are multiple different people that can bestow the same quest? This happens for Tutorial: How to advance your character. Having the link on the template side in a simple way would not work unless the workaround I used for the npc field were used every time. ⇒ Kkoliver (Contribs • Message) 17:00, January 11, 2018 (EST)
        • This is a valid point too. There are a couple edge cases like this where it's really not worth the extra load on the server to update the template to accept multiple NPCs for one or two quests but you don't want those quests to be broken. Another option is to use the {{Extra}} template for multiple NPCs, although it may need to be adjusted to work correctly for this use case.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 17:05, January 11, 2018 (EST)
        • To be fair, those quests should not use this template that adds them in several categories where they don't belong and tries to display information that is irrelevant to those quests (duration? free to play? extreme challenge? monsters?). I'll try to create a new template to use on them that gives them their proper categorization. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 15:15, January 16, 2018 (EST)
          • I can get behind a new template for these type of "quests". My idea for adding them is because they show up in the journal and people that are completionists like me may want to clear every quest from their journal. Some of these non-quests that show up the journal are bugged or it is not clear how to complete them so I just figured I'd add them. The quest template didn't fit perfectly but I didn't know what else to use. There were a lot of these type of quests already on the wiki. (See Refugee Toll, The Rewards of Treachery, To Find a Witness: Archbishop Dryden, etc.)⇒ Kkoliver (Contribs • Message) 15:31, January 16, 2018 (EST)
            • There are still quests, and as such should use the Quest template. I don't agree that the categorization is irrelevant although I could get behind a new parameter and additional category for "starter quests" or something of that nature to identify these quests are "special".  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 15:39, January 16, 2018 (EST)
              • I strongly disagree that they should use the Quest template. The template is extremelly cluttered as it is, adding special cases like that would only lead to more confusion, editing and miscategorized quests. This template is focused on quests that take place in a dungeon, have monsters, xp, rewards. The quests in question are tutorial quests, seasonal quests, chain quests, etc. A slayer quest in an explorer area does not use the quest template and it shouldn't. Neither should those quests. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 15:59, January 16, 2018 (EST)
      • I do not know off the top of my head. I'd have to do a Special:Search for walk-up I know there are a bunch in Gianthold and the desert, not sure where else.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 17:05, January 11, 2018 (EST)
  • Other issue with non-linking: in the summaries (e.g. House Kundarak), quests with a bestower do not hyperlink the bestower's name. I do note that if a quest has no bestower entry then the NPC contact is also used for the bestower, and that gets hyperlinked, but the summary then shows the bestower as "Unknown". Can we get some form of standardisation? ⇒ Nom (Contribs • Message) 06:52, January 17, 2020 (EST)
    • The bestower name is not linked "yet" because of this exact discussion. Some bestowers are linked (because that's how it used to be coded) and some are not linked (because they didn't work with ShoeMaker's quest table in Guide to Free to Play#Quest list). Also, some quest pages link the bestower and some don't. Once a standard has been decided (linked, not linked, comma separated multiple bestowers, something else), the tables in House Kundarak will have links. As for the "Unknown"s, the quest pages should be updated to have a bestower instead of using the "npc" which is not the bestower, but the person that issues the reward. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 17:39, January 17, 2020 (EST)

Quests sharing favour but with different names

Relevant to quests such as Madstone Crater (Heroic)/Return to Madstone Crater (Epic)

The following 2 parameters are intended for the level of the quest: 

 | level            = 
 | epic             =

Problem 1: As the quests have different names, filling both entries in means both quests are listed at both Epic and Heroic Levels

Problem 2: If the entry is left blank, an end user of the wiki is not informed about the epic version when the look at the level list of the heroic version and vice versa

Currently: 

 | level            = Accepts Numbers and Text allowing placement of link in Epic Quest back to Heroic Version
 | epic             = Accepts Numbers only, preventing placement of link in Heroic Quest back to Epic Version

Problem: "Category:Compendium:Level {}" automatically creates a link if the field is populated, whether by a number or text

Additionally: 

 | Shares Favor     =

Parameter exists (and is theoretically useful) but does not display in info box for quest

Solution:

Update "epic" to allow Text as well as numbers

Update "Category:Compendium:Level {}" to so it is only cross-referenced/populated if "epic" or "level" contain numerical values

Add "Shares Favor" to Template:Quest and display it in info box below "Favor"

End Result:

Any wiki users can see clearly that there is an epic version of the heroic quest (and vice versa) automatically, no matter where they look.

Incorrect assumptions about favour not being shared due to difference in name and each quest saying Heroic: None" or "Epic: None" cannot be made.

The important thing with the wiki is that relevant information is visible to users where they would expect to see it, which the current set up does not allow for.

My proposal is to use the |shares favor= (which I recently added to some quests for future use from my templates) to indicate that the quest has a heroic/epic counterpart. If |level= is empty or not defined and |shares favor= is non-empty, then display "Heroic Level: [[{{{shares favor}}}]]". Same for epic. If |epic= is empty or not defined and |shares favor= is non-empty, then display "Epic Level: [[{{{shares favor}}}]]". It won't display the actual level of the heroic/epic counterpart, but I think it's a good compromise, don't you agree?.
  1. (Instead of "Heroic Level:" you can display "Heroic counterpart:")
  2. (If you want to display the level as well, you can add another parameter similar to "shares favor" with the other level OR you can get it automatically via DPL)
⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 11:08, April 28, 2018 (EDT)

As long as something rather than "None" gets displayed against Heroic and Epic Levels in these scenarios, it's good. Autopopulation of |xp= / |level= and |epicxp= / |epic= when they are unpopulated/not present and |shares favor= is populated definitely would save manual effort, while still providing the relevant information to people in the relevant places and avoiding cross-reference issues.--⇒ Glmfw1 (Contribs • Message) 12:12, April 28, 2018 (EDT)

I updated Template:Quest/sandbox and Template:MissionInfoBox/sandbox with the |shares favor= parameter and it will not show the name of the epic/heroic counterpart at the Heroic level or Epic level rows instead of a purple "None". Now someone with access to the template code should update the template. Do we want the level and/or the xp of the other quest displayed? ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 14:36, May 25, 2018 (EDT)

  • Bump. It's been almost 2 weeks. Can someone review and apply the changes please? ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 08:10, June 5, 2018 (EDT)
    • Bump #2. It's now been 1 month. If the administrators don't do their job of reviewing requested changes for protected pages then perhaps they should either recruit more administrators to do this job or unprotect the pages. This is my last bump on this talk page. Next move will be to edit the quest pages to use the unprotected and updated template in the sandbox. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 12:53, June 27, 2018 (EDT)
      • ✘ Oppose — Not done (at least for now) After your last edit request needed to be reverted, I'm hesitant to make other edits on your behalf without multiple tried and proven test cases showing things won't break. I personally haven't acted on this request as I have not seen any convincing support for the change. The only comment I see is someone who thinks something is better than "none", and I believe sometimes "none" is appropriate. Threatening to cause mass disruption usually won't get you what you want, but may get you blocked and banned.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 01:09, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
        • There IS a way to test the changes I've made. Go to the quest pages described above, apply the MissionInfoBox/sandbox template, hit preview and see if it's broken. Or apply the changes, go to a bunch of quest pages and see if it's broken. Then revert. I can't do the tests for you (without creating a bunch of useless sandbox pages). If "reviewing" the changes shows an error, then you don't apply the changes. That's what the "reviewing the changes" means. I wouldn't have seen that the last edit request wasn't perfect without widespread application.
          In any case, at least now there is a response to the request. If admins don't do what they advertise their job to be, then the wiki doesn't work is all I'm saying. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 01:28, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
          • Don't you worry about "useless sandbox pages", we can always delete them later. Please place {{Template testcase TOC}} at the top of each to ease navigation.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 01:38, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
            • Sure, it's not like you were arguing that nothing gets deleted in the wiki and that the wiki has very finite resourses not long ago in JJMC89's talk page. In any case, I don't know how to use the above template and there isn't any USAGE info on the template page. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 01:52, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
  • This seems like a reasonable request and implementation. The change to this template is trivial, and the change to {{MissionInfoBox}} is straightforward. — Zav (T·C) 02:37, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
    • This was straightforward and trivial too until it had to be rolled back because it was badly broken. A few testcases pages to make sure that's not going to happen again doesn't seem like an unreasonable request and a couple testcases pages will use a lot less space than having to revert template parameter changes to a few hundred pages. I have to seriously question the ability of an editor to make edits to complex templates when they have to ask how to use a template such as {{Template testcase TOC}}; especially when I already said how to use it: Please place {{Template testcase TOC}} at the top of each to ease navigation.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 11:55, June 28, 2018 (EDT)
      • Testcase pasted. You must have the impression that changes to every quest page are needed. If you read the start of this topic carefully, you'll find out that the relevant parameters are already in place where needed. ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 15:17, June 28, 2018 (EDT)

New parameter |dm

So, Sharn brings a couple new guest dungeon masters; I was wondering if anyone thought it was a good idea to create a new parameter in T:Quest (or MissionInfoBox?) about narrators / dungeon masters. Then we would also add a new article about narrators; it seems we don't have this info consolidated anywhere. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 03:19, May 20, 2019 (EDT)

The entire T:Quest has to be rebuil. I started working a revamp long ago Template:Sandbox2/Bladedge looking back on it it need more work especially the info box as it missing alot of info. Of course any suggestions, recommendations are welcome, probably can get a new version out in a few weeks. Now the aftermath after a Template update....⇒ Bladedge (Contribs • Message) 21:12, May 20, 2019 (EDT)
No need to integrate DM info into the template, esp no on infobox, IMO, they dont add much gameplay-wise. Lets just create Guest DM page and list em. Uhhm who do we have here, Gygax, Arneson, Will Wheaton (hate that guy for toxic SNS behavior), Greenwood and Baker... thats pretty much all? We dont count Jerry/Cordovan do we? --⇒ yoko5000 (Contribs • Message) 11:12, May 21, 2019 (EDT)
+1 on separate article, it both keeps quest articles cleaner AND collects similar info together. If we're doing it, list everyone possible, whether Dev or special guest voice. (& @ Bladedge, re "suggestions" - Don't miss my post below, thx!) ⇒ C-Hound (Contribs • Message) 14:02, May 23, 2019 (EDT)
  • Cordovan narrated for Tower of Frost, and should be included. We also have a lot more DMs than that. Including but not limited to Ally Murphy, Bill Champaign, Cindy Robinson, and others. I'd certainly like to have it listed somewhere on each quest page where the information is known - even if just added as a category such as "Quests narrated by xxx". You won't need a List of ... page and it will help keep it organized better in the long run.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 22:32, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

I've created the article Dungeon master. I only listed DMs that have some public connection to PnP D&D; but I did include a link to voice actors. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 02:47, July 15, 2019 (EDT)

  • I don't see a reason to split pnp associated DMs from voice actors who DM quests. Please merge them. Also, both of those pages are missing Bill Champaign, who was announced as a MoS DM by Cordovan on WWLL livestream. ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:34, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
    • I don't know who Bill Champaign is. Google doesn't tell me. He is not listed here: https://store.standingstonegames.com/store?Action=custom&Locale=en_US&SiteID=ssg&pbpage=ddo-sharn. I don't see why should I mention some random name. I also don't see a reason for merging. Not all voice actors are dungeon masters. Those are simply different groups of people with minor overlap. There's lot more voice in DDO than just dungeon mastery. --⇒ Cru121 (Contribs • Message) 15:32, July 17, 2019 (EDT)
      • Then there will be a lot of redundancy because ALL of the DMs should be listed on the DM page, not just the ones who are part of pnp. We're not DnD pnp wiki, we're DDOwiki and all DDO DMs should be credited as such.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 16:46, July 17, 2019 (EDT)

Comments below maps?

Is it possible to add a comment embedded below a map? Some maps want/need some descriptive name, comment or explanation, more than "Second Map", "Fifth Map", etc. ⇒ C-Hound (Contribs • Message) 12:36, May 20, 2019 (EDT)

  • Should now be able to do it with the appropriate |map # alt= parameter. Just did a quick template edit for it. Let me know if you see any issues.  👟 ShoeMaker (Contribs • Message) 👟 22:25, May 24, 2019 (EDT)

When Heroic/Epic have diff names

This doesn't happen often, but when it does it would be nice to have the two articles acknowledge each other somehow. For instance, the articles for The Legend of Two-Toed Tobias and A Legend Revisited are not connected/linked in any way, nor even reference each other. (I just added a comment at the end of "Tips", but that's not very satisfacory.) In fact, the Two-Toe page says "No Epic version" and Legend says "no Heroic version", giving the wrong impression to anyone unfamiliar w/ the pack. This is misleading at best, and should be addressed imo.⇒ C-Hound (Contribs • Message) 15:02, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

  • The epic/heroic names are mentioned in the epic/heroic xp rows respectively. As for the infobox saying "no epic version" and "no heroic version", I had a modification to that implemented in the template's sandbox however noone priviledged decided to merge it. Look above #Quests sharing favour but with different names ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 15:30, June 14, 2019 (EDT)

Edit request on 11:20, November 6, 2019 (EST)

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... on: 18:27 (UTC), November 6, 2019

Please change the first line in the "Monsters" section...
from: 

{{#ifexist:Category:Monsters in {{PAGENAME}}|{{:Category:Monsters in {{PAGENAME}}}}|{{{monsters|* {{Error|1=No monsters defined for this quest.}}}}}}}


to:

{{#ifexist:Category:Monsters in {{PAGENAME}}|{{:Category:Monsters in {{PAGENAME}}}}|{{{monsters|* {{Error|1=No monsters defined for this quest.}}}}}<span class="superuser-show sysop-show">&#32;{{Preload|Category:Monsters in {{PAGENAME}}|Template:Monsters in quest/preload}}</span>}}

...to make it easier for anyone who's superuser or above to click a link to quickly create the category page if it doesn't already exist. ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 11:20, November 6, 2019 (EST)

Loot "Last Edited" column

While I understand why "Last Edited" is helpful for named loot, it is hardly the first thing people want to see. I would suggest moving the column from left-most to right-most. ⇒ Hoopy Froodle (Contribs • Message) 10:07, August 1, 2020 (EDT)

  • I think the "last edited" column is misleading. Having an item page edited recently does not mean that this item is up to date. For example most items show that they have been edited 8 months ago but it's because the bot passed through every item page to add a parameter. Btw, the template in question is {{Named items category}} ⇒ Faltout (Contribs • Message) 15:05, August 1, 2020 (EDT)
  • The last edited column is very helpful to see when the page was last touched. It's more helpful to see that a page hasn't been touched in 8 years than the ones that say they were touched last year. I'll also note that Most people don't see that column. Only logged in DDOwiki VIP or higher can see that column. ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:23, August 5, 2020 (EDT)

Named loot sort order

Generally speaking, I expect people would want to see heroic loot grouped separately from epic/legendary loot, for quests where both versions are available. Can we change the default primary sort order to ML, with Item as secondary? ⇒ Hoopy Froodle (Contribs • Message) 10:11, August 1, 2020 (EDT)

  • I believe it's already sorted by ML as a default but with the way that the DPL extension and wiki software work, it doesn't always show up that way. ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:24, August 5, 2020 (EDT)
    Template:Named items category#USAGE does confirm |sort= allows you to change the default sort of the table. (- Default: Minimum Level -) and the CODE backs it up: | tablesortcol = {{#switch:{{lc:{{{sort|}}}}}|name|item=1|type=2|enhancements=3|bind=5|quest|quests|location=6|minlevel|#default={{{sort|4}}}}} ⇒ DDOstream (Contribs • Message) 09:27, August 5, 2020 (EDT)
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